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		<title>Did John McCain Speak at Bob Jones University?</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2006/05/20/did-john-mccain-speak-at-bob-jones-university/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 18:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Numerous bloggers think he did. What actually happened was that Stephen Colbert, a comedian, recently delivered a speech at the White House Correspondents&#8217; Dinner (was it funny? imagine a junior higher having just learned about sarcasm, trying to insult someone). Part of his speech contained these lines: &#8220;By the way, Senator McCain, it&#8217;s so wonderful [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/is_mccain_a_mav.html">Numerous</a> 
<a href="http://dailysandwich.blogspot.com/2006/05/mccain-jeered-at-commencement-and.html">bloggers</a> <a href="http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&#038;friendID=62473108&#038;blogID=121434403">think</a> <a href="http://journals.aol.com/troyjanna/AFLYONTHEWALL/entries/373">he</a>  <a href="http://www.ruminatethis.com/archives/002297.html">did</a>.</p>
<span id="more-268"></span>
<p>What actually happened was that <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/05/02/BL2006050200424.html">Stephen Colbert, a <em>comedian</em>, recently delivered a speech at the White House Correspondents&#8217; Dinner</a> (was it funny? imagine a junior higher having just learned about sarcasm, trying to insult someone).</p>

<p>Part of his speech contained these lines: &#8220;By the way, Senator McCain, it&#8217;s so wonderful to see you coming back into the Republican fold. I have a summer house in South Carolina; look me up when you go to speak at Bob Jones University.&#8221;  Folks, Colbert was making jokes, not reporting the news.</p>

<p>Sadly, it&#8217;s no surprise so many <a href="http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&#038;storyid=2006-05-16T141126Z_01_L16732669_RTRUKOC_0_US-LEISURE-DAVINCI-RELIGION.xml&#038;src=rss&#038;rpc=22">people who read <cite>The Da Vinci Code</cite> think they&#8217;re learning theology</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Liberty, Ethology, Pathology?</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2006/03/22/liberty-ethology-pathology/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>filosofo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The New York Times Magazine recently ran an article about Liberty University&#8217;s debate team (HT: Dappled Things). It has an impressively large budget of $500,000, and its five full-time judges are aggressive about recruiting and training, making Liberty the highest-ranked school overall in several national debate associations. The article alludes to a difference between Liberty&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The <cite>New York Times Magazine</cite> recently ran <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/magazine/319debate.html?pagewanted=1&#038;_r=2">an article about Liberty University&#8217;s debate team</a> (HT: <a href="http://betsblog.typepad.com/weblog/2006/03/early_morning_r.html">Dappled Things</a>).  It has an impressively large budget of $500,000, and its five full-time judges are aggressive about recruiting and training, making Liberty the highest-ranked school overall in several national debate associations.</p>

<p>The article alludes to a difference between Liberty&#8217;s debate program and Bob Jones University&#8217;s much smaller one&mdash;Liberty has debated at least one topic for which BJU decided it couldn&#8217;t argue both sides&mdash;but it doesn&#8217;t mention a fundamental difference.  Bob Jones is a member of the <a href="http://www.neda.us/">National Educational Debate Association</a> (NEDA), a small group that split from the Cross Examination Debate Association (CEDA) about ten years ago.</p>

<p>The <cite>Times</cite> reporter notices that</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/magazine/319debate.html?pagewanted=4&#038;_r=3"><p>Quick speaking hardly captures the velocity of collegiate debate. . . . Only experienced judges  most of whom are coaches from neutral schools  can actually follow the argument. . . . Debaters gulp air like competitive swimmers.</p></blockquote>

 <p>That style of speaking is one of the principal reasons NEDA schools left CEDA.  No doubt, being able to &#8220;argue&#8221; at air-gulping speeds involves skill and the development of certain abilities.  However, it&#8217;s more of a game than anything resembling typical public discourse.  And speed-talking debaters can easily adopt harmful habits, such as relying on jargon.</p>  

<p>NEDA tournaments, on the other hand, require that half of their judges be laypeople.  &#8220;Laypeople&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean just anybody off the street; it often means college professors, lawyers, and other professionals.  Convincing such an audience requires good reasoning&mdash;what Aristotle called <i>logos</i> in his <cite>Art of Rhetoric</cite>&mdash;but it also demands appropriately employed <i>pathos</i> and <i>ethos</i>.  Those skills, valuable in professional and academic realms, are often not valued in auctioneer-style debate.  No wonder Patrick Henry College, with its <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050627fa_fact">heavy student involvement in politics</a>, is a member of NEDA.  And it seems odd to me that head coach Brett O&#8217;Donnell, who has helped the Bush team prepare political debates, would train his debaters in a style far removed from that of public persuasion.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Bob Jones University Did Not &#8220;Ban&#8221; Starbucks</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2006/02/21/bob-jones-university-did-not-ban-starbucks/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>filosofo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to the fickle nature of search engines, my blog appears in the top searches of people googling &#8220;starbucks bob jones,&#8221; &#8220;bob jones bans starbucks,&#8221; and the like&#8212;and those searches seem to be coming in droves&#8212;despite the fact that I&#8217;ve never commented on it. I&#8217;ve never commented because I don&#8217;t care: I drink coffee only [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to the fickle nature of search engines, my blog appears in the top searches of people googling &#8220;starbucks bob jones,&#8221; &#8220;bob jones bans starbucks,&#8221; and the like&mdash;and those searches seem to be coming in droves&mdash;despite the fact that I&#8217;ve never commented on it.  I&#8217;ve never commented because I  don&#8217;t care: I drink coffee only socially, I&#8217;m a thousand miles away from Bob Jones University, and it really doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>

<p>What interests me more is the public interest.  For one thing, it&#8217;s as though someone passed out talking points to bloggers: &#8220;Look, when you blog about this, be sure to say that &#8216;Starbucks is too gay-friendly for right-wing Bob Jones University.&#8217;  We all need to stay on-message.&#8221;  Bloggers <a href="http://obscurestore.typepad.com/obscure_store_and_reading/2006/02/starbucks_is_to.html">here</a>, <a href="http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2006/02/things_i_though.html">here</a>, and <a href="http://starbucksgossip.typepad.com/_/2006/02/starbucks_is_to.html">here</a> all got that memo.</p>

<p>For another, it seems ironic that one of the times the school has gracefully handled its disagreements in the public eye, it <em>still</em> gets blasted for bigotry, intolerance, hatred, and the like.  Here&#8217;s the official statement from the school as to why it has discontinued selling Starbucks coffee:
</p>

<blockquote><p>Dr. Stephen Jones [president of the school] announced that due to the social activism of
Starbucks, we will no longer be selling their product at the University.</p></blockquote>

<p>Here&#8217;s a selection from the <cite>Greenville News</cite>:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060218/NEWS01/602180309/1004/rss01"><p>BJU spokesman Jonathan Pait said the school&#8217;s constituency began to object to Starbucks&#8217; stance on gays several months ago. More objections came lately, he said.</p>

<p>&#8220;They were supportive of homosexual events and causes,&#8221; he said. &#8220;That would be a problem for our constituency.&#8221; The issue surfaced from quotes on a coffee cup Starbucks sells from a man who supports a gay lifestyle.</p></blockquote>

<p>And here&#8217;s the description of an eyewitness to the announcement: </p>

<blockquote><p>[Y]ou should have heard the announcement and the lengths to which [school President Stephen Jones] went to try to avoid doing this.  . . .   [He] had a pleasant chat with the regional representative from Starbucks, who gave him the impression that he was sympathetic and would get back with him.  He never called back, and [Jones] left eight unanswered voice mail messages for the guy.  They just strung [him] along to get another three months out of the franchise.</p></blockquote>

<p>I see no calls for smiting hip-and-thigh there.  Yet reading the comments under <a href="http://zacfoo.typepad.com/weblog/2006/01/starbucks_banne.html">zacfoo&#8217;s story-breaking blog entry</a>, you might think the school had called for lynchings. I think the point is that when it comes to Bob Jones University, many people already have the bigotry meme, and by George they&#8217;re going to stick to it.</p>


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		<title>Voice on Fundamentalist Ecumenism</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2006/01/08/voice-on-fundamentalist-ecumenism/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>filosofo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Writing for the Voice, the alumni magazine of Bob Jones University, Mark Sidwell recounts an exchange between a potential hire for the theology faculty and Bob Jones, Sr., the eponymous founder of the fundamentalist school: When Dr. Jones Sr. wrote to Brokenshire, asking him whether as a Presbyterian he would be able to teach students [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writing for the <cite>Voice</cite>, the alumni magazine of Bob Jones University, Mark Sidwell recounts an exchange between a potential hire for the theology faculty and Bob Jones, Sr., the eponymous founder of the fundamentalist school:</p>

<blockquote><p>When Dr. Jones Sr. wrote to Brokenshire, asking him whether as a Presbyterian he would be able to teach students of other denominations (particularly Methodists), the professor replied that &#8220;as to the Methodist brethren, I have worked with them for years and should not think of wounding their views of God&#8217;s grace and human free agency or of stirring up controversy with those who hold the fundamentals&mdash;as I hold them myself.&#8221;</p>
<p><cite>Voice</cite>, Vol. 79 #3, Winter 2005</p></blockquote>

<p>That was the 1940s.  To someone familiar with the landscape of contemporary American Christianity, it might come as a surprise that there were Presbyterian or Methodist fundamentalists.  Today, most &#8220;fundamentalists&#8221; are Baptists (or their kin, &#8220;Bible church&#8221; members), and their theology is likely to be closer to that of Tim LaHaye (also a Bob Jones graduate) than John Calvin or John Wesley.  But back then being a &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; meant holding to a set of core or &#8220;fundamental&#8221; orthodox, Protestant beliefs, as can been seen in Brokenshire&#8217;s letter. This quotation made me wonder what happened in the intervening years between the historic fundamentalism and now.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m sure there are many answers. However, it seems to me that the cultural shift began in the late 1950s, when fundamentalists such as Bob Jones split with &#8220;new evangelicals&#8221; such as Billy Graham.  Graham had made ecumenical alliances based more on practical advantages than on shared theology, and fundamentalists were justifiably alarmed that he was too willing to bend theology in favor of evangelistic results.  Fundamentalists&#8217; consequent separation from new evangelicals became a defining part of the fundamentalist movement.</p>

<p>This theological &#8220;secondary separation&#8221;&mdash;ecclesiastical separation from someone (or an institution) not because he believes differently but because he associates with others who do&mdash;creates a potential pitfall: its proponents must act on the basis of who persons and institutions are and what they do, rather than what they believe.  In other words, one answers the question, &#8220;should I separate from X?&#8221; not based on X&#8217;s beliefs but based on who X is or who X&#8217;s friends are.</p>

<p>Someone who takes theology seriously will occasionally have to practice secondary separation.  What&#8217;s happened with the fundamentalist movement is that secondary separation has become its defining characteristic, its modus operandi.  One result, it seems to me, has been that fundamentalism has sorted itself into a group based more on associations (where one is a church member, what Christian college or seminary one has attended) than on shared belief in the core doctrines of the faith.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>UC, BJU, and the Culture Wars</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2005/12/14/uc-bju-and-the-culture-wars/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>filosofo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Economist situates within the culture wars the pending lawsuit against the University of California, in which the plaintiffs accuse the UC admissions officials of discriminating against Christian high school graduates who took courses taught from textbooks published by Bob Jones University. Welcome to the latest front in America&#8217;s culture wars. The Association of Christian [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=5300912"><cite>Economist</cite> situates within the culture wars</a> the pending lawsuit against the University of California, in which the plaintiffs accuse the UC admissions officials of discriminating against Christian high school graduates who took courses taught from textbooks published by Bob Jones University.</p>

<blockquote cite="http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=5300912"> <p>Welcome to the latest front in America&#8217;s culture wars. The Association of Christian Schools International (ACSI), the Calvary Chapel Schools and six Calvary Chapel students are suing the university, whose campuses include that traditional bastion of liberal thought, Berkeley, as well as the huge UCLA campus, for what they call &#8220;viewpoint discrimination&#8221;. The Christian schools add that the university is violating the students&#8217; constitutional right to freedom of speech and religion. The university naturally denies the charges, and this week a federal judge in Los Angeles began considering the preliminary arguments of a contest which could eventually reach the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>. . .</p>
<p> UC denies it practices secular intolerance and &#8220;viewpoint discrimination&#8221;. It notes that it has approved plenty of courses at Christian schools and in the past four years has accepted 24 of the 32 applicants from the Murrieta school. And it says that if the courses had used these textbooks &#8220;as supplementary, rather than primary, texts, it is likely they would have been approved.&#8221;</p>

<p>What is really being challenged, says the university, is its right to set its own academic standards and admission requirements. In which case the question is what that right implies. The Christian plaintiffs say they have no objection to science students, for example, being taught conventional wisdom, but &#8220;their constitutional rights are abridged or discriminated against when they are told that the current interpretation of scientific method must be taught dogmatically, and must be accepted by students, to be eligible for admission to University of California institutions.&#8221; In other words, what the case involves is not so much the now-familiar tussle over intelligent design, but a student&#8217;s freedom of speech and thought.</p>
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<p>The <cite>Economist</cite> thinks that this conflict will escalate until evangelicals play a greater role in higher education.</p>

<blockquote cite="http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=5300912"><p> Fifty years ago there were only a handful of &#8220;megachurches&#8221;, drawing more than 2,000 each Sunday; today, there are more than 1,200 such churches, three of them with congregations of over 20,000. Not only is the nation&#8217;s president a born-again Christian, but so (according to the Pew Research Centre) are 54% of America&#8217;s Protestants, who are 30% of the population.</p>

<p>Will America&#8217;s public universities take on a similar tinge? To the extent that educational establishments reflect cultural reality, it may be inevitable. After all, before the liberal era of the 1960s, there were no such things as courses in &#8220;Women&#8217;s Studies&#8221; or &#8220;African-American Studies&#8221;. Now, no prudent American university would be without them. It would be odd if conservative Christians did not leave similar footprints on the syllabus.</p></blockquote>

<p>I think the <cite>Economist</cite> is right on both counts: this issue is much larger than Calvary Chapel&#8217;s perceived lack of standards, and this kind of conflict is not likely to disappear. </p> 

<p>I know nothing about Calvary Chapel&#8217;s quality of education in particular, but having some familiarity with the Christian school movement, I&#8217;m fairly confident that UC&#8217;s claims are not really about standards.  
Often, many students educated in the Christian school movement are better-prepared than their secular counterparts in this sense: they learn <em>both</em> the secular dogmas as well as the religious ones. For example, I&#8217;ll wager that a good student at Calvary Chapel would be able to explain the theory of evolution <em>as well as</em> creationism, whereas we would expect her public high school counterpart to know only about evolution.</p>  

<p>The same is true of conservative students in general.  Because  those with liberal political views dominate the American higher education system, conservatives are forced to learn both languages.  The UC officials should appreciate how that tension&#8211;between politically liberal educators&#8217; beliefs and conservatives&#8217; beliefs&#8211;actually offers some pedagogical advantages.  For one thing, a somewhat adversarial position and skeptical mind on the part of the student further critical thinking skills.  For another, the different beliefs and cultural background of conservatives further universities&#8217; vaunted &#8220;diversity.&#8221; </p>

<p>However, the cynic in me suspects that the UC officials are less interested in improved critical thinking and cultural or viewpoint diversity than in hegemony over California&#8217;s secondary schools.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>BJU Joins Murtha and Sheehan?</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2005/12/05/bju-joins-murtha-and-sheehan/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 01:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>filosofo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blawger Eric Muller thinks that this is evidence that &#8220;support for the war is slipping a tad bit&#8221; : the editor of Bob Jones University&#8217;s student newspaper, the Collegian, is calling for a troop pullout from Iraq. The United States should start to gradually remove its troops from Iraq. We&#8217;ve been there long enough and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blawger Eric Muller thinks that this is evidence that &#8220;<a href="http://www.isthatlegal.org/archives/2005/12/i_believe_this.html">support for the war is slipping a tad bit</a>&#8221; : the editor of Bob Jones University&#8217;s student newspaper, the <cite>Collegian</cite>, is <a href="http://www.bju.edu/collegian/index.php?issue=31&#038;article=222">calling for a troop pullout from Iraq</a>.</p>

<blockquote cite="http://www.bju.edu/collegian/index.php?issue=31&#038;article=222"><p>The United States should start to gradually remove its troops from Iraq. We&#8217;ve been there long enough and done enough and spent enough.</p></blockquote>

<p><strong>UPDATED</strong> December 7, 2005: Now the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/06/AR2005120601552.html"><cite>Washington Post</cite>&#8216;s taken notice</a>:</p>

<blockquote cite="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/06/AR2005120601552.html"> <h4>Getting Dovish at Bob Jones</h4>

<p>Speaking of going off-message, a notable college newspaper editorial last week carried this headline: &#8220;Congress must begin gradual withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.&#8221;</p>

<p>&#8220;The U.S. government must gradually remove troops from Iraq, being responsible about the war but giving control back to Iraq,&#8221; the editorial said. &#8220;We&#8217;ve been there long enough and done enough and spent enough.&#8221;</p>

<p>Words from the Antioch Record? No. Turns out it&#8217;s the Collegian, published by the students of Bob Jones University.</p>

<p>The editorial rejected &#8220;remaining indefinitely&#8221; in Iraq and sending in more troops. &#8220;But how can we do that when we&#8217;ve already been there just about 32 months? When will the end come?</p>

<p>&#8220;The United States can&#8217;t really expect to make things perfect before ending its Middle East visit,&#8221; the paper said. &#8220;The Iraqis won&#8217;t feel independent and capable of launching out on their own until we, the Americans, the foreigners, have left.&#8221;</p>

<p>But after this Murtha-like flirtation, the editorial rejected &#8220;immediate and complete withdrawal&#8221; &#8212; settling on a variant of a Pentagon drawdown proposal, so long as it includes &#8220;a relinquishing of oversight to the Iraqis.&#8221;</p>
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<p><strong>UPDATED</strong> (again) December 7, 2005: <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/7/171559/706">Daily Kos gives moderate approval</a>:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/7/171559/706"> <p>There isn&#8217;t anything startling or new in the editorial in the Collegian, the student newspaper of Bob Jones University. It calls for a gradual withdrawal from Iraq, cautions against a quick pullout, etc.</p>

<p>But it is startling because of where it appears &#8212; in the student paper at arch-conservative Bob Jones University, the place where Bush spoke during the 2000 primary campaign, the place that used to forbid interracial dating (I think they lifted that ban).</p>

<p>The editorial takes a few shots at war protesers, but hey, just calling for withdrawal is an earth-shifting event for them. </p></blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>What in the World is Wrong with the Times?</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2005/12/02/what-in-the-world-is-wrong-with-the-times/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>filosofo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[World magazine notices the same New York Times article I pointed out earlier, and Joel Belz also wonders what the author had in mind: The problem is that Mr. Vinciguerra is artfully ambiguous and doesn&#8217;t quite come clean with his readers. At first blush, any of three radically different possibilities might be in play: 1. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.worldmag.com/displayArticle.cfm?ID=11343"><cite>World</cite> magazine notices</a> the same <cite>New York Times</cite> article <a href="http://www.ilfilosofo.com/blog/2005/11/26/heres-the-problem-with-the-times/">I pointed out earlier</a>, and Joel Belz also wonders what the author had in mind:</p>

<blockquote cite="http://www.worldmag.com/displayArticle.cfm?ID=11343"><p>The problem is that Mr. Vinciguerra is artfully ambiguous and doesn&#8217;t quite come clean with his readers. At first blush, any of three radically different possibilities might be in play:</p>

<p>1. Mr. Vinciguerra may conceivably be offering his readers a genuine choice: &#8220;Read the evidence, and then decide for yourself, folks, who&#8217;s right in this fascinating debate.&#8221;</p>

<p>2. Or he may have read the evidence himself, been pleasantly surprised at what the high-schoolers were studying, and is therefore asking his readers: &#8220;Can you believe that the snobs at the U. of California would really exclude kids for studying something that makes such good sense as these excerpts exhibit?&#8221;</p>

<p>3. Or he may be asking what I think (and fear) he really is saying: &#8220;Can you believe these Christians are coming to a court trial with such wacky ideas and actually hoping a 21st-century judge will uphold them?&#8221;</p></blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Here&#8217;s the Problem with the Times</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2005/11/26/heres-the-problem-with-the-times/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 04:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>filosofo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In tomorrow&#8217;s New York Times, there&#8217;s an expos&#233; of sorts of the dangerous high school curricula published by Bob Jones University, my alma mater. The occasion is a lawsuit against the University of California that&#8217;s been meandering into the national news over the last few weeks. The plaintiffs accuse the UC admissions officials of discriminating [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In tomorrow&#8217;s <cite>New York Times</cite>, there&#8217;s an <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/27/weekinreview/27vinciguerra.ART.html">expos&eacute; of sorts</a> of the dangerous high school curricula published by Bob Jones University, my alma mater.  The occasion is a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/national/20christian.html">lawsuit against the University of California</a> that&#8217;s been meandering into the national news over the last few weeks.  The plaintiffs accuse the UC admissions officials of discriminating against  Christian high school graduates who took courses taught from a Christian perspective.  I suppose the <cite>Times</cite> wants its readers to see for themselves what California&#8217;s censors find substandard. (I&#8217;ve quoted the article at length <a href="http://www.ilfilosofo.com/blog/heres-the-problem-with-emily-dickinson/">here</a>, because online <cite>Times</cite> articles have a habit of disappearing a few days after their publication.)</p>

<p>Author Thomas Vinciguerra pairs a brief comment with a quotation from a Bob Jones University Press textbook:</p>

<blockquote cite="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/27/weekinreview/27vinciguerra.ART.html"><p><em>Slavery, which most historians look at politically or economically, is seen as &#8220;an excellent example of the far-reaching consequences of sin.&#8221;</em></p>

<p>The sin in this case was greed &#8211; greed on the part of African tribal leaders, on the part of slave traders and on the part of slave owners, all of whom allowed their love for profit to outweigh their love for their fellow man. The consequences of such greed and racism extended across society and far into the future. It resulted in untold suffering-most obviously for the black race but for the white race as well. &#8230; The Lord has never exaggerated in warning us of sin&#8217;s devastating consequences &#8211; for us and for our descendants (Exodus 34:7).</p></blockquote>

<p>Shocking stuff, that.  Imagine: thinking <em>sin</em> might play a role in human affairs, instead of just politics and economics.  To the flames!</p>

<blockquote cite="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/27/weekinreview/27vinciguerra.ART.html?pagewanted=2"><p><em>Even the abstract laws of energy and matter, the authors write, reflect the hand of God.</em></p>

<p>You are about to embark on an adventure. The study of physics reveals the wonderful orderliness of God&#8217;s creation &#8211; so orderly that it can be comprehended in terms of relatively simple principles (mathematical formulas). &#8230; Physics is important because through it mankind learns how creation actually works. It satisfies our God-given curiosity about nature. Seeing that God does &#8220;great things and unsearchable; marvelous things without number&#8221; (Job 5:9), men have dedicated their lives to unraveling the rich mysteries of creation.</p></blockquote>

<p>Again, what horrors!  The &#8220;study of physics reveals the wonderful orderliness of God&#8217;s creation&#8221;&#8211;where would Western Civilization be had, say, Isaac Newton thought such things?  Someone please re-educate the poor dupes.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Trend in Reporting on Bob Jones University?</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2005/10/26/trend-in-reporting-on-bob-jones-university/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>filosofo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I saw the description in the first article, I thought it was just an example of a reporter&#8217;s not straining himself when doing research. That&#8217;s because when reading an MSM article I&#8217;m used to seeing &#8220;Bob Jones University&#8221; followed by &#8220;the controversial conservative school that formerly banned interracial dating,&#8221; or something to that effect. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw the description in the first article, I thought it was just an example of a reporter&#8217;s not straining himself when doing research.  That&#8217;s because when reading an MSM article I&#8217;m used to seeing &#8220;Bob Jones University&#8221; followed by &#8220;the controversial conservative school that formerly banned interracial dating,&#8221; or something to that effect.  Now I&#8217;m hopeful that the new description will become a trend.  Enough of this, and I won&#8217;t cringe so much when someone asks me where I got my undergraduate degree.</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/12980851.htm"><p>&#8220;We are Christians,&#8221; said the younger Joe Gatas, a marketing-management graduate of Bob Jones University, a South Carolina school whose Web site lists readings from the Bible.</p></blockquote>

<blockquote cite="http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1005/102505op.htm"><p>And that&#8217;s the base of the GOP base &#8212; a county that routinely produces the biggest Republican vote margins in this red state and that is home to Bob Jones University, an evangelical institution that posts daily Bible readings on its Web page.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s right&#8211;I&#8217;m a graduate of Bob Jones University; you know, the school that posts Bible readings on its Web page.</p>
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		<title>I&#8217;m Being Retentive About Retention</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The spokesman at my alma mater gives a figure that doesn&#8217;t match my experience: Pait acknowledges that students sometimes feel as though the school&#8217;s policies &#8220;cramp their style.&#8221; However, the university maintains an extremely strong retention rate; sometimes as high as 95 percent. I think my freshman class had about 1500-2000 members, and I remember [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spokesman at <a href="/blog/category/christianity/fundamentalism/bob-jones-university/">my alma mater</a> gives <a href="http://www.dailyorange.com/media/paper522/news/2005/10/12/Pulp/On.Religious.Grounds.In.Christian.Schools.Word.Of.God.Dictates.School.Rules-1017538.shtml?page=3">a figure that doesn&#8217;t match my experience</a>:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.dailyorange.com/media/paper522/news/2005/10/12/Pulp/On.Religious.Grounds.In.Christian.Schools.Word.Of.God.Dictates.School.Rules-1017538.shtml?page=3"> <p>Pait acknowledges that students sometimes feel as though the school&#8217;s
policies &#8220;cramp their style.&#8221; However, the university maintains an
extremely strong retention rate; sometimes as high as 95 percent. </p> </blockquote>
<p>I think my freshman class had about 1500-2000 members, and I remember about five or six hundred graduating seniors.</p>
<p>Maybe he means for any given week, an average of 95% of the students come back the following week.  Or maybe it&#8217;s that on average 95% of any given graduating senior has made it through college. <img src='http://austinmatzko.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>  ]]></content:encoded>
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