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	<title>Comments on: What Plato Might Have Said But Didn&#8217;t</title>
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		<title>By: Cine face cântecele! &#124; Vestea Buna</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2006/10/20/what-plato-might-have-said-but-didnt/comment-page-1/#comment-217536</link>
		<dc:creator>Cine face cântecele! &#124; Vestea Buna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] să scriu cântecele unui popor și nu mă interesează cine-i face legile!” Nu e important acum cine a spus primul acest adevăr. Vorbim iar despre puterea muzicii! Citeam zilele trecute din Armonia Universală a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] să scriu cântecele unui popor și nu mă interesează cine-i face legile!” Nu e important acum cine a spus primul acest adevăr. Vorbim iar despre puterea muzicii! Citeam zilele trecute din Armonia Universală a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bo Schaefer</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2006/10/20/what-plato-might-have-said-but-didnt/comment-page-1/#comment-216145</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo Schaefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 06:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha! Nice! I like your choice of topic.I found just what I was ndeeed, and it was entertaining!This article is a home run, pure and sipmle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha! Nice! I like your choice of topic.I found just what I was ndeeed, and it was entertaining!This article is a home run, pure and sipmle!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note also the context of Andrew Fletcher&#039;s original statement. After saying, &quot;I knew a very wise man [who] ... believed if a man were permitted to make all the ballads, he need not care who should make the laws of a nation,&quot; Fletcher&#039;s very next sentence reads, &quot;And we find that most of the ancient legislators thought they could not well reform the manners of any city without the help of a lyric, and sometimes of a dramatic poet.&quot; Certainly, Fletcher himself had Plato in mind.

Even though the quote is not from Plato, Fletcher (and the &quot;very wise man&quot; whose sentiment he is quoting) are conscientiously articulating the idea which they previously found in Plato. So the quote is later, but Fletcher himself attributes Plato with the sentiment behind it. Donald Grout probably recognized that in Fletcher, and was affirming it in his own statement which you helpfully identified, above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note also the context of Andrew Fletcher&#8217;s original statement. After saying, &#8220;I knew a very wise man [who] &#8230; believed if a man were permitted to make all the ballads, he need not care who should make the laws of a nation,&#8221; Fletcher&#8217;s very next sentence reads, &#8220;And we find that most of the ancient legislators thought they could not well reform the manners of any city without the help of a lyric, and sometimes of a dramatic poet.&#8221; Certainly, Fletcher himself had Plato in mind.</p>
<p>Even though the quote is not from Plato, Fletcher (and the &#8220;very wise man&#8221; whose sentiment he is quoting) are conscientiously articulating the idea which they previously found in Plato. So the quote is later, but Fletcher himself attributes Plato with the sentiment behind it. Donald Grout probably recognized that in Fletcher, and was affirming it in his own statement which you helpfully identified, above.</p>
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		<title>By: filosofo</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2006/10/20/what-plato-might-have-said-but-didnt/comment-page-1/#comment-211961</link>
		<dc:creator>filosofo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>naicisum, are you saying the Greek there could reasonably be translated into the quotation in question?
 
Care to exposit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>naicisum, are you saying the Greek there could reasonably be translated into the quotation in question?</p>
<p>Care to exposit?</p>
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		<title>By: naicisum</title>
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		<dc:creator>naicisum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Republic, Book IV 424c</description>
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		<title>By: Yoga For A Healthy Heart &#124; Yoga Beauty Wisdom</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2006/10/20/what-plato-might-have-said-but-didnt/comment-page-1/#comment-211263</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoga For A Healthy Heart &#124; Yoga Beauty Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What Plato Might Have Said But Didn&#039;t – Il Filosofo [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What Plato Might Have Said But Didn&#39;t – Il Filosofo [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://austinmatzko.com/2006/10/20/what-plato-might-have-said-but-didnt/comment-page-1/#comment-24679</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes. Does your Dad really make the laws, Austin? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes. Does your Dad really make the laws, Austin? <img src='http://austinmatzko.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;American reactionaries have gone in more for quote making than American radicals.  This is possibly because the former feel more of a need for authoritative quotes than the latter.&quot; Paul F. Boller and John George, &lt;em&gt;They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, &amp; Misleading Attributions&lt;/em&gt; (Oxford, 1989), x.

In any case, let me make the laws, and I&#039;ll ban the songs from the airwaves and close down any show that uses them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;American reactionaries have gone in more for quote making than American radicals.  This is possibly because the former feel more of a need for authoritative quotes than the latter.&#8221; Paul F. Boller and John George, <em>They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, &amp; Misleading Attributions</em> (Oxford, 1989), x.</p>
<p>In any case, let me make the laws, and I&#8217;ll ban the songs from the airwaves and close down any show that uses them.</p>
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